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|'''''Daniel's Vision of the Four Beasts'''''
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|'''''Danielin näky neljästä eläimestä ja ihmishahmoisesta olennosta'''''
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|'''''Danielin näky: Neljä petoa; Ihmisen Poika; Jumalan pyhäin valtakunta.'''''
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16 Someone who is in the field must not go back to the house for his cloak.
16 Someone who is in the field must not go back to the house for his cloak.


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4 who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.  
4 who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.  
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3 Älkää antako kenenkään millään tavoin johtaa itseänne harhaan. Ennen tuota päivää näet tapahtuu uskosta luopuminen ja ilmaantuu itse laittomuus ihmishahmossa, kadotuksen ihminen.  
3 Älkää antako kenenkään millään tavoin johtaa itseänne harhaan. Ennen tuota päivää näet tapahtuu uskosta luopuminen ja ilmaantuu itse laittomuus ihmishahmossa, kadotuksen ihminen.  
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|colspan="2"|Even a holy person will find it pretty tedious to stay in functional shape at all, if people mock and hurt him, just because they are under industrially produced delusions having let '''those enter''' self either via the '''eyes''' by watching synthetic terror porn or by his '''ears''' by listening to people gossiping about what is said to have been seen on the Internet.


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A piece of friendly advice would probably be as follows: Don't visit rape porn sites and do not listen to hate-speech people spout in their delusions
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|Even a holy person will find it pretty tedious to stay in functional shape at all, if people mock and hurt him, just because they are under industrially produced delusions having let '''those enter''' self either via the '''eyes''' by watching synthetic terror porn or by his '''ears''' by listening to people gossiping about what is said to have been seen on the Internet.
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A piece of friendly advice would probably be as follows: Don't visit rape porn sites and do not listen to hate-speech people spout in their delusions
 
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It seems that in both English and Finnish the makers of the newer translation got this better, but I am just a layperson that does not speak Greek, so I cannot really comment into which translation is more faithful to the original.
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It seems that in both English and Finnish the makers of the newer translation got this better, but I am just a layperson that does not speak Greek, so I cannot really comment into which translation is more faithful to the original.


::''"Whoever is meant to be captured will surely be captured;"''  
::''"Whoever is meant to be captured will surely be captured;"''  
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At first it would appear that the beasts cannot be imprisoned, for all it is not possible for a human to find all the copies due to e.g. that Internet was designed to route around nuked nodes (you may alternatively replace the word "nuclear bomb" with "censorship") and that models made of humans and the filth projected onto moving images can be easily slipped through nation state borders under the protections of hard cryptography and naturally due to the fact that there are computers that are not connected to the Internet and cannot be connected to via the network.
At first it would appear that the beasts cannot be imprisoned, for all it is not possible for a human to find all the copies due to e.g. that Internet was designed to route around nuked nodes (you may alternatively replace the word "nuclear bomb" with "censorship") and that models made of humans and the filth projected onto moving images can be easily slipped through nation state borders under the protections of hard cryptography and naturally due to the fact that there are computers that are not connected to the Internet and cannot be connected to via the network.


Revelation 19:20 starts with "The beast was taken prisoner" so it perhaps could be considered "imprisoned" if it was under constant and pervasive surveillance by the [[Adequate Porn Watcher AI]].  
Revelation 19:20 starts with "The beast was taken prisoner" so it perhaps could be considered "imprisoned" if it was under constant and pervasive surveillance by the [[Adequate Porn Watcher AI (concept)]].  


::''"whoever is meant to be killed by the sword will surely be killed by the sword."'
::''"whoever is meant to be killed by the sword will surely be killed by the sword."'
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Can we add here anything but "Amen Lord Jesus Christ." ?
Can we add here anything but "Amen Lord Jesus Christ." ?
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==== Revelation 13:11-13 ====
 
==== Revelation 13:11-13 ====
===== Revelation 13:11-13 - 2nd beast arises from the earth and exercises the power of the 1st beast =====
===== Revelation 13:11-13 - 2nd beast arises from the earth and exercises the power of the 1st beast =====


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A little while after the first (female form) digital look-alike, somebody did a male form digital look-alike, which is this beast that arises from the earth, and from thereon the whole business went really sick.
A little while after the first (female form) digital look-alike, somebody did a male form digital look-alike, which is this beast that arises from the earth, and from thereon the whole business went really sick.
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The main manifestation of the beast is a (moving) image and the humankind already did it, so this is perhaps a bit confusing. May be to do with the observation that in the Bible it seems that the especially important things are repeated multiple times. Why here it says here that the inhabitants of the earth make an "image" in "honor" of the first beast could be to do that it was not easy to see in advance that the beast actually manifests in an image on a computer screen.


A moving image that really looks and sounds like a human truly does awaken murderousness when wielded with malice.
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The main manifestation of the beast is a (moving) image and the humankind already did it, so this is perhaps a bit confusing. May be to do with the observation that in the Bible it seems that the especially important things are repeated multiple times. Why here it says here that the inhabitants of the earth make an "image" in "honor" of the first beast could be to do that it was not easy to see in advance that the beast actually manifests in an image on a computer screen.
A moving image that really looks and sounds like a human truly does awaken murderousness when wielded with malice.
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==== Revelation 13:16-17 ====
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If the answer candidate to the question of the number of the beast in Revelation 13:18 is [[#Revelation 13:18 - explanation - 64-bit computing and 256-bit addressing|the numbers of the address spaces of 64-bit computing and 256-bit addressing]], then this refers to being unable to do commerce unless one takes a 64-bit device and connects it to the 256-bit network. If this is the case, then we clearly should '''<font color="red">not</font>''' let cash [[w:money]] status as [[w:legal tender]] be removed anytime in the future.
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If the answer candidate to the question of the number of the beast in Revelation 13:18 is [[#Revelation 13:18 - explanation - 64-bit computing and 256-bit addressing|the numbers of the address spaces of 64-bit computing and 256-bit addressing]], then this refers to being unable to do commerce unless one takes a 64-bit device and connects it to the 256-bit network. If this is the case, then we clearly should '''<font color="red">not</font>''' let cash [[w:money]] status as [[w:legal tender]] be removed anytime in the future.
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====== Revelation 13:18 - explanation - The beasts are a result of calculation ======
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::''"count the number of the beast"'' (KJV)
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The first number 2⁶⁴ is key in making the beasts and the 2nd number 2²⁵⁶ is key in distributing the beasts.
The first number 2⁶⁴ is key in making the beasts and the 2nd number 2²⁵⁶ is key in distributing the beasts.
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=== Revelation 14 ===
=== Revelation 14 ===
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|'''''The Lamb and his People'''''
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All four translations do use plural "women" and both of the Finnish translations say "like virgins" and if the only woman you've been with is your wife, you ain't defiling yourself.
All four translations do use plural "women" and both of the Finnish translations say "like virgins" and if the only woman you've been with is your wife, you ain't defiling yourself.
 
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=== Revelation 21 (just translations) ===
=== Revelation 21 (just translations) ===
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27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
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=== Revelation 22 (just translations) ===
=== Revelation 22 (just translations) ===
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21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.


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